Which is better HoD sword or Fiery Flame Spitter? - Guild Wars Forums

Gildor Took · Jan 16, 2006, 06:08 AM // 06:08

I was having a discussion with a guildie that the fiery flame spitter is better than the HoD sword. Personally the skill recharge mod seems better than the + 5 energy for a solo monk. So is skill recharge 10% chance better or +5 energy?

He also said that a 19% enchant mod does exactly the same as a 20% enchant mod, is that correct?

You can find the Fiery Flame Spitter (FFS) south of serenity temple for 3 Scorched Lodestones you can get it from Nicanor Gannel.

Sometimes the collector isn't there, you just have to keep on rezoning until he gets there. It took me 2 runs to find him.

imaginary friend · Jan 16, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10

Fiery flame spitter FTW!!!! that and my 20/20 rockmolder pwnnnnn, i have plenty more Fiery flame spitters if anyone wants to buy them

Gildor Took · Jan 16, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15

the fiery flame spitter isn't nerfed yet

Bmont3779 · Jan 16, 2006, 06:19 AM // 06:19

yes i agree with FFS its much better

imaginary friend · Jan 16, 2006, 06:23 AM // 06:23

FFS doesnt mean fiery flame spitter btw, lol. It was nerfed also, went from 15% to 10%

Hockster · Jan 16, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

A one in ten chance of a skill recharging faster versus five more energy all the time? I'll take the energy any time.

imaginary friend · Jan 16, 2006, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by Hockster

A one in ten chance of a skill recharging faster versus five more energy all the time? I'll take the energy any time.

lets put a situation in, you have half energy left, and the ele and mesmer are taking heavy damage, you cast word of healing on the ele, but the 7 second recharge time is killing you, and the mesmer. But luckily the 10% skill recharge kicks in and you save the mesmer!

Gildor Took · Jan 16, 2006, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by Hockster

A one in ten chance of a skill recharging faster versus five more energy all the time? I'll take the energy any time.

and in the situation of a solo monk +5 energy isn't that good since you practically havve unlimited energy. On the ocasions that i die prot spirit was interupted and didn't recharge fast enough and that's when the skill recharge kicks in

Hendorr · Jan 16, 2006, 06:49 AM // 06:49

But you can't choose when the skill recharge kicks in, maybe it "kicks" in at the wrong time and you still die. I don't want to say I like the +5 energy sword more, but it's not like you can choose when it "kicks" in. Or am I wrong here guys, can you choose when the mod will do its job?

Gildor Took · Jan 16, 2006, 06:52 AM // 06:52

but the chance of having it "kick" is better than having +5 energy

cagan · Jan 16, 2006, 06:59 AM // 06:59

No you can't choose when the mod kicks in.

Having a solo monk, i agree with Gildor in that you really shouldn't be running out of energy .. ever.

I use the flame spitter, and i've never died/failed to cast a spell when needed because i've run out of energy, solo monks just don't run out of energy unless somethings gone horribly horribly wrong.
The +5 energy just isn't that useful, if you never find yourself at 0 and wishing you weren't normally.

I'll always take the chance for it to kick in, its not something you can go relying on, but the chance to cast some of your offensive spells more often is always nice.

ange1 · Jan 16, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

i don't know, but i'll have both =D

Asrial · Jan 16, 2006, 07:14 AM // 07:14

I agree with ange1, each one is situational. Get both.

Gildor Took · Jan 16, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17

but not all of us can afford the HoD sword so im just showing everyone the cheaper, "better" options

Edit: added a poll

cagan · Jan 16, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

*nod*
If you can justify throwing you money on getting a HoD sword, then by all means, do so, but otherwise, a flame spitter is a great alternative, which is, at least in some of eyes apparantly .. a better option.

As to your 19% same as 20% mod Took, the answer is 'most of the time, they are the same'.

Its simple math, take the length of time of whatever enchants you are using, then, add 19% to the time, and cut off any decimals (don't round, just cut them off). Then, add 20% to the original number and do the same with decimals.
Since decimals are not rounded, often 19 and 20% *are* identical.

Racthoh · Jan 16, 2006, 08:12 AM // 08:12

The 5 energy is always there on the focus switch, and I would prefer to keep 5 energy hidden from an Edrain Mesmer in pvp while still having my 20% enchanting mod. Just like a +30 health fortitude mod, it isn't doing anything until you're down to your last reserves.

If I want 5 energy to say, use a skill, I would switch to my Nolani Wand to provide an unconditional +5 energy then switch back to my Fiery Flame Spitter. Two collector's items from the Ascalon region, gotta love it.

The undead Mesmer · Jan 16, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

what is a fiery flame spitter?

Gildor Took · Jan 16, 2006, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by The undead Mesmer

what is a fiery flame spitter?

A collector axe that has skill recharge 10%
so effectively it is

Fiery Flame Spitter of Enchanting
skill recharge 10% chance
enchantment last 20% longer

VS

Long Sword of Enchanting
Energy +5
enchantments last 20% longer

The undead Mesmer · Jan 16, 2006, 09:09 AM // 09:09

i know what the HoD sword is -_- but thanks for explaining the fiery flame spitter.

Hockster · Jan 16, 2006, 10:22 AM // 10:22

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Originally Posted by Gildor Took

and in the situation of a solo monk +5 energy isn't that good since you practically havve unlimited energy. On the ocasions that i die prot spirit was interupted and didn't recharge fast enough and that's when the skill recharge kicks in

Riiiight. You don't choose when it activates. And I highly doubt it makes a difference on an interupted cast that gets 20 seconds added to teh recharge.

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Having a solo monk, i agree with Gildor in that you really shouldn't be running out of energy .. ever.

Have you ever had to cast a few high energy spells in sucession? Not everyone just stands there waiting to get hit so they can regen a few points of energy. Like say when yu get three dying nightmares spawning, and two are out of wand range. You need to cast spellbreaker, and keep up breeze and prot. spirit. Or spam something a few times after a cast had been interupted. A fast recharge does no good when you're down to 3 energy.

And who says only soloers use a HoD sword.

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Jan 16, 2006, 06:08 AM // 06:08	#1
Gildor Took Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia, 3rd rock from the sun Profession: Mo/	Which is better HoD sword or Fiery Flame Spitter? I was having a discussion with a guildie that the fiery flame spitter is better than the HoD sword. Personally the skill recharge mod seems better than the + 5 energy for a solo monk. So is skill recharge 10% chance better or +5 energy? He also said that a 19% enchant mod does exactly the same as a 20% enchant mod, is that correct? You can find the Fiery Flame Spitter (FFS) south of serenity temple for 3 Scorched Lodestones you can get it from Nicanor Gannel. Sometimes the collector isn't there, you just have to keep on rezoning until he gets there. It took me 2 runs to find him. Last edited by Gildor Took; Jan 16, 2006 at 11:22 AM // 11:22..

Jan 16, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15	#3
Gildor Took Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia, 3rd rock from the sun Profession: Mo/	the fiery flame spitter isn't nerfed yet Last edited by Gildor Took; Jan 16, 2006 at 06:42 AM // 06:42..

Jan 16, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17	#14
Gildor Took Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia, 3rd rock from the sun Profession: Mo/	but not all of us can afford the HoD sword so im just showing everyone the cheaper, "better" options Edit: added a poll Last edited by Gildor Took; Jan 16, 2006 at 07:20 AM // 07:20..

Jan 16, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10	#2
imaginary friend Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: marhans grottoooo Guild: Empires of Underworld [EoU] Profession: R/Me	Fiery flame spitter FTW!!!! that and my 20/20 rockmolder pwnnnnn, i have plenty more Fiery flame spitters if anyone wants to buy them

Jan 16, 2006, 06:19 AM // 06:19	#4
Bmont3779 Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lions Arch Profession: Me/	yes i agree with FFS its much better

Jan 16, 2006, 06:23 AM // 06:23	#5
imaginary friend Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: marhans grottoooo Guild: Empires of Underworld [EoU] Profession: R/Me	FFS doesnt mean fiery flame spitter btw, lol. It was nerfed also, went from 15% to 10%

Jan 16, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27	#6
Hockster Banned Join Date: Jul 2005	A one in ten chance of a skill recharging faster versus five more energy all the time? I'll take the energy any time.

Jan 16, 2006, 06:49 AM // 06:49	#9
Hendorr Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Enschede Guild: W.o.F. Profession: N/Me	But you can't choose when the skill recharge kicks in, maybe it "kicks" in at the wrong time and you still die. I don't want to say I like the +5 energy sword more, but it's not like you can choose when it "kicks" in. Or am I wrong here guys, can you choose when the mod will do its job?

Jan 16, 2006, 06:52 AM // 06:52	#10
Gildor Took Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia, 3rd rock from the sun Profession: Mo/	but the chance of having it "kick" is better than having +5 energy

Jan 16, 2006, 06:59 AM // 06:59	#11
cagan Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: Me/Mo	No you can't choose when the mod kicks in. Having a solo monk, i agree with Gildor in that you really shouldn't be running out of energy .. ever. I use the flame spitter, and i've never died/failed to cast a spell when needed because i've run out of energy, solo monks just don't run out of energy unless somethings gone horribly horribly wrong. The +5 energy just isn't that useful, if you never find yourself at 0 and wishing you weren't normally. I'll always take the chance for it to kick in, its not something you can go relying on, but the chance to cast some of your offensive spells more often is always nice.

Jan 16, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08	#12
ange1 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: Mo/	i don't know, but i'll have both =D

Jan 16, 2006, 07:14 AM // 07:14	#13
Asrial Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Centurion Guard Profession: Mo/E	I agree with ange1, each one is situational. Get both.

Jan 16, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22	#15
cagan Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: Me/Mo	nod If you can justify throwing you money on getting a HoD sword, then by all means, do so, but otherwise, a flame spitter is a great alternative, which is, at least in some of eyes apparantly .. a better option. As to your 19% same as 20% mod Took, the answer is 'most of the time, they are the same'. Its simple math, take the length of time of whatever enchants you are using, then, add 19% to the time, and cut off any decimals (don't round, just cut them off). Then, add 20% to the original number and do the same with decimals. Since decimals are not rounded, often 19 and 20% are identical.

Jan 16, 2006, 08:12 AM // 08:12	#16
Racthoh Did I hear 7 heroes? Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)	The 5 energy is always there on the focus switch, and I would prefer to keep 5 energy hidden from an Edrain Mesmer in pvp while still having my 20% enchanting mod. Just like a +30 health fortitude mod, it isn't doing anything until you're down to your last reserves. If I want 5 energy to say, use a skill, I would switch to my Nolani Wand to provide an unconditional +5 energy then switch back to my Fiery Flame Spitter. Two collector's items from the Ascalon region, gotta love it.

Jan 16, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04	#17
The undead Mesmer Delphian Scribe Join Date: May 2005 Location: Holland Guild: No guild ;_; Profession: N/Me	what is a fiery flame spitter?

Jan 16, 2006, 09:09 AM // 09:09	#19
The undead Mesmer Delphian Scribe Join Date: May 2005 Location: Holland Guild: No guild ;_; Profession: N/Me	i know what the HoD sword is -_- but thanks for explaining the fiery flame spitter.